Your Social Security Card SS Number SSN back and what Weirdness You Won't Believe!
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The Social Security Number Explained
Read this hub if you want to or just go down to the bottom of this page to the part that starts with-
Here is something Very Interesting Doctor Watson
and read that part -- it is really freaky.
Social Security USA-How the SSN Helps Locate People (even though it isn't supposed to)
Of course there is a lot more to this but this is the basic beginning to understanding how it works.
The first three digits of the social security number are useful in locating people because those numbers show the state the person (or their parents) applied for it in. It is nearly always regarded as the person's home state, the state where they were probably born, a state to which they may return.
It is also a state they very well may have friends or relatives they stay in touch with or physically stay with from time to time or receive help from. Somewhere in your investigative search, collection efforts, contacts, a county, city or town in that state might be referred to and may lead you to your missing person.
The key to determining the state in which the Social Security Card was issued is only the first 3 numbers of the SS number. When all else fails, do a surname only search in your subjects home state. You are pretty much guaranteed to then be able to talk with family members, neighbors or old friends who might have a lead for you.
This list below shows every states first 3 number code of the SSN.
004 to 007 Maine ME
008 to 009 Vermont VT
010 to 034 Massachusetts MA
035 to 039 Rhode Island RI
040 to 049 Connecticut CT
050 to 134 New York NY
135 to 158 New Jersey NJ
159 to 211 Pennsylvania PA
212 to 220 Maryland MD
221 to 222 Delaware DE
223 to 231 Virginia VA
232 to 236 West Virginia WV
237 to 246 North Carolina NC
247 to 251 South Carolina SC
252 to 260 Georgia GA
261 to 267 and 589 to 595 Florida FL
260 to 302 Ohio OH
303 to 317 Indiana IN
318 to 361 Illinois IL
362 to 386 Michigan MI
387 to 399 Wisconsin WI
400 to 407 Kentucky KY
408 to 415 Tennessee TN
416 to 424 Alabama AL
425 to 428 and 587 to 588 Mississippi MS
429 to 432 Arkansas AR
433 to 439 Louisiana LA
440 to 448 Oklahoma OK
449 to 467 and 627 to 645 Texas TX
468 to 477 Minnesota MN
478 to 485 Iowa IA
486 to 500 Missouri MO
501 to 502 North Dakota ND
503 to 504 South Dakota SD
505 to 508 Nebraska NE
509 to 515 Kansas KS
516 to 517 Montana MT
518 to 519 Idaho ID
520 Wyoming WY
521 to 524 Colorado CO
525 and 585 New Mexico NM
526 to 527 and 600 to 601 Arizona AZ
530 Nevada NV
531 to 539 Washington WA
540 to 544 Oregon OR
545 to 573 and 602 to 626 California CA
574 Alaska AK
575 to 576 Hawaii HI
577 to 579 District of Columbia DC
587 to 588 Mississippi MS
589 to 595 Florida FL
646 to 647 Utah UT
648 to 649 New Mexico NM
581 - 585 Puerto Rico & Guam & American Samoa & Philippine Islands
586 - Guam & Mariana Island & American Samoa & Philippine Islands
650-699 unassigned, for future use
700-728 Railroad workers through 1963, then discontinued
729-799 unassigned, for future use
800-999 not valid SSNs.
Some sources have claimed that numbers above 900 were used when some state programs were converted to federal control, but the current Social Security Administration documents claim that no numbers above 799 have ever been used. (Yes, well, read dr. watson) I don't believe ANYthing they *claim*.
The middle two digits of the social security number are the group number and have no geographical significance. They just break the SSN into conveniently sized blocks for use in internal operations and order of issuance.
Also, it is helpful to know - SSN's are never reassigned when people die. Benefits may be payable to dependents and survivors or the SSN holder long after the social security number holder dies. The SSN is used to administer the payment of these benefits. The current 9-digit number provides roughly 1 billion SSNs. Roughly 478 million SSNs have been issued.
The last four digits of the social security number are the serial number; representing a straight numerical series of numbers from 0001-9999 within each group.
Here is something Very Interesting Doctor Watson - In all the years I have been P.I.ing around, two times, twice -- I have actually SEEN in a data bank with my own 2 little eyes social security numbers that have a LETTER attached to the end of them. One was the letter *A* and the other one I don't recall.
I actually phoned the SSN administration office to ask them about it. They completely denied they exist. They said there has NEVER been a letter in ANY social security number on any card EVER issued. So, being curious AND the families I was helping wanted to know what it meant as they thought it was a typo-- I looked further into these two cases. One of them was definitely military - the other I could not find a military record FOR but that doesn't mean he wasn't.
DELETE...if you get my drift.
Here's the thing that bugs me to this day...It can't BE a typo because unless the rectangular spot on the data input persons program has been altered by a programmer; it will only HOLD 9 digits ! So, yes, they can and do make typos - transpose numbers, etc...BUT they cannot add an extra number or an extra anything....UNLESS THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND PUT THERE FOR A REASON.
AND I HIGHLY SUSPECT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM and that THEY DO EXIST MUCH MORE THAN I'VE RUN ACROSS AND THAT THEY JUST ARE *REMOVED* FOR WHATEVER REASON before they leave where ever they were that put the letter there in the first place.
So, when someone is entered, the powers that be above have already removed the letter at the big P or where ever before they ever get to being used in databanks (where they were NEVER EVER meant to be in the first place).
What do you make of that and have you ever seen one? If you have seen one - PLEASE OH PLEASE write to me and let me know.
Another thing that happens that never should is sometimes people are issued more than one number. I have NO idea how this could happen but it does and here is one story - it happened to a very close friend of mine. She had moved abroad for several years and upon returning to the US she went to the SS Admin office as she had lost her card and wanted a new one. She had never before requested a card since she'd been issued one she at age 17 she thought.
She told me that the lady looked up from the monitor and just flatly as you please stated ;
"You have 2 numbers, pick one."
Well, sheesshh, geeezzzz. I mean - after ALL those years wouldn't you think you and THEY would want to know which number all the earnings had been going under?? Split? One or both or something else? Pick the wrong one and you get --NADA??
She could NOT get any further and could not get any answers; she HAD TO PICK ONE. Just like that - right then - on the spot. What dod you do? Demand to phone your congressman on the spot?
In conclusion (boring ending-big let down)
Invalid SSNs:
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Any SSN conforming to one of the following criteria is an invalid number: Any field all zeroes (no field of zeroes is ever assigned). First three digits above 740 The key to determining the state in which the Social Security Card was issued is the first 3 numbers of the SS number.
***A last note - Canadian Social Insurance numbers (SIN#), which are the equivalant of the SSN, can be the same as a number issued in the USA. SO if you have a number that doesn't show up in the USA, try it in a Canadian database - You just may find it there. Example: I entered a Canadian friend's SIN# into a USA database for a particular reason and came up with a SSN issued in Texas/year issued, ect... Not Good.
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Comments
That is really interesting - so how does the government
#1 - collect taxes?
#2 - pay people old age benefits?
I'm reading this with my mouth opened. This blows my mind! I checked down the list and you're absolutely right about the first three digits! Amazing.
Well if you didn't know this maybe a lot of people don't - send this hub to them because everyone should know this!!
Dear Mr. M - I am still very curious if AU has nothing like the USA SSN - then how does the country keep track of taxes? Or don't you lucky Aussies have to pay them!?
Do you know the meaning of the red number on the backside of social securitycards?
No but now that you mention it I am going to find out.
Thanks for asking that.
I'll post it when I discover what they mean.
Melanie
This apparently is what they mean although I am unable to verify the accurateness of this information.
"It is your Social Security Account Number, (PIN) I think the one they are trying to implament in your personal savings plan with Wall Street. Pretty Quick HUH. The changes have been made before the vote, or do we get to vote, I can't remember."
When I took my eldest daughter to the hospital, as a baby, for an emergency, she didn't yet have a social security number, so, our insurance company used MY social plus letter A in order to start medical coverage benefits for her. When we received her SSN we updated the insurance records.
Maybe this is how you've found socials with a letter A at the end?
The problem is that the social security numbers started around 1934 and now they are your master identity number, including your tax id number. This is not a good use of the SSN.
Why, because it makes identity theft really easy.
good hub
It's funny. I remember my grandfather telling me about all the talk and discussion going around at the time of the creation of the SSA back in the 1930's. One thing he said has stuck with me through the years. Politicians of the time swore on their eternal souls that the SSN would never be used as an identifer of a person. Oops. So much for the promises of politicians.
That part about the first three digits is interesting, I never knew my parents applied in CA for my SSN. I always thought it was MO. Great hub.
someonewhoknows - ummmmm.
I have NO idea what you are talking about here!!!!
None.
Worked for a private detective for three years, never saw a letter attached to one then. Worked for one of the big three credit bureau's in a governmental division that provided false ID for secret service and FBI purposes, saw it then, but have no clue what it meant.
Jerilee -
THAT is very interesting. Any other thoghts as to what it may mean?
Or do you surmise it is just that - false ID for secret service and FBI purposes.
I've thought about it, but nothing that I'd be willing to write about after years of working on Capitol Hill. Maybe government purposes, but I can't see why because it would raise eyebrows anytime you'd give it out. It was rare and no one wanted to talk about it.
If I recall correctly, SSNs with an "A" suffix aren't SSNs but Medicare ID numbers - which are basically the same as SSNs. You may want to explore that road regarding the "A" suffix.
There's a block of SSNs in the 500s (I believe they fall into the Mississippi group )that seem to have been utilized for SE Asian "boat people" back in the 70's and 80's. I once worked at a large bank and could do a customer search by SSN or partial SSN and discovered that every customer with a number beginning with that three-digit prefix had an Asian name.
What's even cooler than the prefix numbers being assigned geogrpaically is that if you have the right info, the middle two digits ("group") can give you an idea as to when a SSN was issued and to tell if it could logically belong to the person claiming that number.
The group number for each prefix is issued in the following pattern: 01, 03, 05, 07, 09 - then even numbers 10 to 98, then 02, 04, 06, 08, and then odd numbers 11 to 99. So, for example,if you look at only the middle two digits, 02 is a newer number than 78, 09 would be older than 02, and 77 would be newer than 78. Any SSN with an odd group number less than 10 was probably issued no later than 1939 or so.
There have been SO many interesting therories presented here. THANKS!
It IS a very interesting topic and still a mystery. Not much proof to PROVE
our concepts.
All three sets of Social Security Numbers have meanings. There is an excellent article: "Structure of Social Security Numbers" with information contributed by Jerry Crow (crow@anasaz.com) and Barbara Bennettthat explains that the first 3 digits are the state of issue; the next two are the year of issue; and the last 4 aare the serial nuber that is just the order in which your number was issued. There is a link stevemorse dot org slash ssn slash ssn where you can enter numbers and you will see that the explanation is accurate.
As for the alpha at the end of a SSN. My 84 year old aunt has my grandfather's card. It has an A at the end of his number. The Social Security Office told her that card was never issued to anyone. But it was his card. To my knowledge he was never in the military. He was born in 1879 but I cn find no record of hin prior to the late 30's or early 40's no matter where I search.
Interesting!
Sorry about the typos in the previous posting.
Can you use a Canadian Social Insurance number instead of a
Social Security number.. for curtain things, such as
employment. Please email. me
>>>> up2datyme@gmail.com
I am not sure what it is you mean...?
A SSN cannot be used in Canada for work and the same goes in reverse.
They may only be used in the country they are designed for...as in, that is what a *green card* does if you move from say Germany to USA...you get a USA number then if you work and live there...
Another interesting hub. I worked for the IRS in the 60's and I found out about the first three numbers. Thanks for the rest that I didn't know. Great hub.
dear freta - wow - that is wild you worked for the IRS and didn't know the rest.
Guess they like to try and keep everyone in the dark! lol
Best - Melanie
My mother and I have SSN's that are literally two digits off each other on the last four numbers. She applied for her card and mine at the same time (I was born in Australia, where she had lived all her life, and she wanted to move to the US to live with my dad.)
What is interesting, though, is that she applied in Australia for our numbers...but according to our numbers, we applied in Ohio. None of my friends from Ohio have numbers beginning in 275, either.
I wonder why?
The codes following a Social Security number indicatethe type of benefits you are entitled to. The Social Security number followed by one of these codes is often referred to as a claim number and they are only assigned once you apply for benefits. These letter codes may appear on correspondence that you receive from Soical Security or on your Medicare card. They will never appear on a Social Security number card.
For example, if your Social Security number is 123-45-6789, then once you apply for retirement benefits, your claim number is 123-45-6789A. This number will also be used as your Medicare claim number, once you are eligible for Medicare.
Code
Identification
A
Wage Earner (Retirement)
B
Wife
B1
Husband
B2
Young Wife
C1-C9
Child - Includes disabled or student child
D
Aged Widow
D1
Widower
D6
Surviving Divorced Wife
E
Widowed Mother
E1
Surviving Divorced Mother
E4
Widowed Father
E5
Surviving Divorced Father
F1
Father
F2
Mother
F3
Stepfather
F4
Stepmother
F5
Adopting Father
F6
Adopting Mother
G
Claimant of Lump-Sum Death Benefits
HA
Wage earner (disability)
HB
Wife of disabled wage earner
HB1
Husband of disabled wage earner
HC Child of disabled wage earner
M
Uninsured – Premium Health Insurance Benefits (Part A)
M1
Uninsured - Qualified for but refused HIB (Part A)
T
Uninsured - Entitled to HIB (Part A) under deemed or renal provisions
W
Disabled Widow
W1
Disabled Widower
W6
Disabled Surviving Divorced Wife
tdugan - wow...WOW...I mean WOW!!!!! OK - I am NOT saying I believe you. But if you are correct, PLEASE enlighten us all (or Pretty Please me privately!) HOW do you KNOW this??
I mean, NOBODY I have ever asked knows this. You read this - you saw even ppl who work for them didn't even know there *are* letters.
BUT...in TWO cases I personally know that there was, in fact, an *A* on the card itself.
I am having a Very hard time believing this...I think perhaps you are refering to something similar but yet different to this hubs real meaning.
Melanie - Please write back!
I like the way your brain thinks, makes me feel alive listening to what your thinking, very cool...Keep it up ...PS Now I Know Why I bookmarked your page ;-) ...Hope you are doing well,
Thanks Lee - I'm not so sure I like how my brain thinks all the time but it's nice to be appreciated :}
M/
tdugan - PLEASE email me - where did this info you possess come from?????
i want to know want the red numbers on the back of a Canada SIN number card are please find out for me.
Just thought I'd put my own two sense in. I've always had a passion for this kind of government secret stuff. My grandfather worked for the military for a number of years. And during the course of his work, apparently he did "Top Secret" work for the government. Stuff like planning the future of the United States years in advance, and a lot of other top secret stuff. That's what my grandmother has told me. I confirmed it by his funeral. First off, on his grave stone, it does not state his rank in the military, or his service record. And he served in two wars. The Vietnam and the Korian as well. Sorry, please forgive my spelling error! Anyways, ya. And, even though he is been gone for about 12 years now, I somehow feel that he has left behind clues for me to find and uncover the truth about what it is he really did for the government. Because I just look at my social security number, my date of birth, the hosiptial I was born in, the red numbers on the back of my Social Security Card, and the little red micro-dots on my social security card, and a lot of other different meaningfull dates, codes, numbers, letters, and verious other things. And I know that the truth is out there. And I am determind to find it. No matter what the costs. Anyways, I've reasearchd into the red numbers on the back of social security cards nowadays, and what they could mean, and every answer is even more interesting then the last! One of the most famous answers, is that it is an account number linked to a offshore bank account as a "Fail Safe" in the event that another depression happens or something far worse then 9-11 happenes and the computer systems fail. It is a back up vault for every single american. We each are worth a price to uncle sam. I partly believe in this thery. The part I believe is that there is in fact a greater power or force at work here. That is calling all the shots. Other wise reffered to as "The Powers that be". Who instruct the so called "Elected" officals to run our government. For the people, and by the people. But we all know that is not always the case nowadays!!! Anyways, the second theory is that it is for tracking the type of paper it is printed on. This is directly from social security. "I highly doubt that is the real reason for those numbers and letters on the back"! Another thing I want to expand on is that at sometimes, I get the strangest feeling of Dajavu. Like I've been at this place before... Like I've done this before... When in fact, I know that I haven't! But have I? That's the real question! Anyways, if anyone has any questions for me, don't hesitate to write. Here is my email address. indy18arn@gmail.com Also, if anyone has anymore theroys or comments, let me know as well.
Airin - thanks for the *news* - it is interesting stuff isn't it though!?
I don't know where de ja vu fits in; but oh well ;}
Thanks for the comments!
Best regards, M/
I have a very interesting question and perhaps one of you have seen it before, I have two ss cards one is a backup, and both are the same. But when compared against any other ss card (except my dad and grandfather's)there are difference's the writing on the back instead of black or blue on other people's is red and the number's on the front are red too. I look at people's id and ss cards everyday in my the line of work and I have never seen another one like mine except for mine my dad's and grandfather's. Does anyone have any idea what this is supposed to mean??? I wouldn't have given it a second thought but both of my cards are like this and they were printed 19 years apart and my dad's is his original printed in 1968. My grandfather's was a reprint from after he retired from the military.
Why do you have 2 cards? No one is supposed to have more than one.
Anyway - it *may* have something to do with what your grandfather *did* while in the military.
tdugan never did explain the **info** he posted here...and I am very uncertain there is ANY truth to it....
I wish tdugan would come back and explain how/why/where that info came from in detail.
Very cool topic PI, I'm into any conspiratory musings, although from the sound of some of the comments, sounds like you have closed the case on the anomalous letters in people SSN numbers. I had no idea about the first three, very cool.
Ben "you just got served" Zoltak
I was Reading the comments && I came across "red social security numbers" && I've also heard many intresting facts about it..
&& like uu said "it's an account PIN number" witch sounds to me like there's is sumthing bout money involved..
Right now I'm in high school && one day in school I had a substitute teacher come&& some how we came up tlking bout the SS card..
&& he brought up that that red number is like OUR bank account && how much we value in the U.S && through outthe years it multiplies..
Not sure exactly wat he said,but it had sumthing todo with ALOTT of money!..
Take note that the letter followed by the eight numbers on the REVERSE of your social security card are letters A through L only. The federal reserve branches are also listed as branches A through L only. This is NOT a coincidence. please keep researching!
Good info. I knew about the first 3 digits. My best friend and I have the same identical numbers only the very last digit changes. We applied together and lastly the info on the ss ending with a letter is correct. A is in fact for Medicare purposes as it was stated. My mom had that. As for the comparison of a green card in the U.S./Germany and the SS similarity in the U.S. and Canada.. the logic does not work when applicable to the government of the U.S. Also my relative has 2 social security numbers and so does someone else I know.. they recv'd those before the advent of the world wide "spider web."!
I thought the structure of the SSN is something that is pretty obvious. I guess I was wrong.
Thanks for sharing.
THere's alot of 'talk' going around about the use of the number on the back of your SSN Card and using it, your Birth Certificate and a UCC-1 filing to eliminate your debt. This process known as 'Accepted for Value' is being advocated again amongst conspiracy theorists and debt elimination group meetings all over my town. I've heard someone was successful in eliminating $30,000 worth of credit card debt and now he's going after his mortgage. Another close friend showed me his paperwork and showed me the letters he got back from his creditors and the IRS stating his claims were frivolous and ignored them. Now he's pursuing something called a Friendly Liens....
Has anybody had any real verifiable success with this?
I have been hearing somethings about the numbers on the back of the ss card. If you do any reaserch about this, you will only find blogs like this one. It's like no one really knows, or wants to tell. What I have heard is that those numbers are an account number at a federal reserve bank, and the letter corrisponds to a routing number to one of those banks. These accounts supposedly have $700,000 in your name in them. That sounds too good to be true, right? Well, if it is true, I'll bet there is no way to gain access to "your" money.
I met a guy about 7 months ago who showed me a stamp that he uses to pay his monthly bills. He said he just paid his car off free and clear. He was in the middle of paying off his mortgage. He said the red numbers on the back of his social security card are are tied to his own personal bank account and if I wanted to start doing the same thing I needed to have my original birth certificate also. The birth certificate is suppose to show you what bank it is somehow. He wouldn't show me anything more or how to link my BC with my SS card unless I slept with him. Ummmm, I didn't sleep with him, so that is where it ended. Does anybody have more information on how to do this?
Dear tdugan - that is simply not true I am sorry to have to report to you.
Dear Jessica - Well I am VERY HAPPY to hear you didn't sleep with him - lol! - as he is FULL of CRAP!
That is SO not true it defies logic! WOW - some pick-up line.
He was feeding you a line so deep I am glad you did Not fall into it!
The lack of logic in that is so enormous - I hope everyone can see that.
If ANY one does not understand this - please ask and I will explain why this is not possible - EVER!
Melanie
Kevin G,
There is no such thing as conspiracy theory keeping in mind how brainwashed Americans have become.
Please listen VERY carefully the famous speech by JFK in regards of secret societies, etc.
Commerce is not a game (although for some it is) and UCC-1 filing has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's an act of a respon-able individual who does not need any re-presentation. Open Black Law dictionary and STUDY. It will open your mind quite a bit.
A lot goes into it than simply "accepted for value."
A quick clue - who do the Natural resources in America belong to? Why do you need to pay for milk of a cow that you let someone to take care of for YOU? Does it make sense? You do not need to pay for water if it belongs to you in the first place. That type of confusion is now evident in California and People's water resources.
Why do you need to pay for electric when YOUR natural resources are being exploited to deliver that electricity to you? You should not pay for it, but Government suppose to from your Trust Fund established by the power of your Birth Certificate.
Study. Educate yourself. And it will become clear and evident... Stay away from sheeple's mentality.
Oh I don't know - commerce really IS a game IMO.
Although this is WAY off topic - and the rest of Rushin's post I do NOT understand at all....oh well.
You said:
"A quick clue - who do the Natural resources in America belong to?"
Once Americans figure out that nearly ALL their natural resources are coming from CANADA - then maybe those who think like you do won't be so quick to think that way - *IF* I understand what you said - and I really - don't.
crazyghost - please RE-post without advst. - I will put the first part of your psot here...even though I totally do Not agree...it doesn't even make sense to me at all...?
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crazy ghost said:
Ok to answer the question to the A on the card. ThAt is for people that need new ID Meaning, people in protective service and other so called things.The military has a letter also For top secret mission and there ssi starts above the normal number also they have a G.
Here is something funny That when companys spells your name in all caps, You can never sue them. For example visa. They send you a letter in the mail in all caps then you sign up for it and use the card, now you lost all your rights because all caps is a term ill have to get back to you all on.But it's not good at all.
Hi! I am a kindergarten teacher, and I have students with social security numbers that begin with 900. These students are hispanic. Does this mean that they do not have a social security number, and the school system gave them a number for testing purposes? Are they illegal and the hopsital gave them this number when they were born? I am very curious. I have seen it many times, but I just assumed that it was a new number. Any ideas?
i keep coming back here to this thread but I never posted. I am trying to find certain information./...like everyone else here i guess.
one thing i do know though is that there are NO 900 numbers issued! You are either making this up or somebodys parents are printing them out thinking - wow! - we found a whole series that are not being used! or something stupid. No missy, that just isn't possible.
The 900 series is used for "student id number". I had one in school even though I was born here and received a social when I was born. I had a settlement account from a wreck when I was 3, and my parents didn't want to let my SSN out because we didn't have to use it. My girlfriend's parents used a student id instead of SSN for school as well, just because.
Hosta, I have no reason to make this up. In the state where I work all kindergartners are required to take a test for the state. We are required to enter their social secuity for this test. That is how I know about the 900 numbers. When the students register for school, they must give a social security number. I do not know what they do if the student does not have one. This is why I thought the county may have given them a number that begins with 900. These students may not have a social secuity number or may be choosing not to give it to the county. I do not know. I do know that they are being used in the school system.
Most numbers beginning with 9 are Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITIN) They are used for aliens whom cannot receive Social Security Numbers. They are issued so that aliens can pay their taxes. They are not considered to be proof of legal residency.
Also, numbers in the range of 987-65-4320 through 987-65-4329 are used in advertising.
For crying out LOUD people - go here and READ it! Put the number 900 in the search part on this pdf file and see for yourself. The 900 series DOES NOT EXIST in the realm of SSN's!!!!!
...and go here:
and if you won't bother to read that it says this:
"An invalid (or impossible) Social Security number (SSN) is one which has not yet been assigned.
The SSN is divided as follows: the area number (first three digits), group number (fourth and fifth digits), and serial number (last four digits).
To determine if an SSN is invalid consider the following: No SSNs with an area number in the 800 or 900 series, or 000 area number, have been assigned. No SSNs with an area number above 772 have been assigned in the 700 series.
No SSN's with a 00 group number or 0000 serial number have been assigned. No SSNs with an area number of 666 have been or will be assigned. Information about the SSN and SSNs that have been assigned is available at High Group List and Other Ways to Determine if an SSN is Valid ."
Can I change my SSN and wipe out my old credit report because my ss# end with "666" ( I feel that the government is responsible) by tagging me with this sign of the beast all my life?
have you not heard about the straw man asigned to everyone!
I am open to all rebuttal, disagreements, and/or ignorance and stupidity as they have so well taught us to be, however O am looking for that "just-one" or is willing to work with me. I have a story, it starts with the SSA, I have for over a year now been trying to get SSI due to an ongoing injury, (torn-meniscus)of which is a relatively simply surgery done to the knee. For "normal-folks" this injury would be an altering injury of a period lasting about 3-9 month's, for me it took a span of just under a year, I was unemployed, without health-ins, (Yadda-da) so during the time I was going through the V. A. to have the surgery complete (hence the year wait) I applied for "G. R." (General relief) at my local "welfare" office. The welfare office demanded that I show proof of "indigence" meaning I have to make steps to prove, (document) by way of SSI, SDI, IRS, V. A. and so many agency that no-monies were being paid me of which is "against" "G-R" policy, (meaning you must be broke and not receiving any money by any-one)that you are not a farmer, a rail-road worker, (or any other worker) or recipient on monies, nor do you have any viable income "stashed" such as real/estate, or IRA's or retirement pay, or unemployment.... (you must not have anything)as well in order to even claim food stamps, (in San Bernardino Co. CA) one must claim homeless! (get the picture) you must even sign an affidavit indicating that you no of no-one, (family members, churches, friends or any that will support you) they even go as far as to ask "where did you sleep last night!? (for crying out-load) and if you say something other than basically you slept in the park they will deny your case, it is so bad that if you say you own a car they will tell you that you do not qualify unless you sell the car to support yourself and then when you have no more money return!
Well I was going through the hell of going to all the different SSI, SDI, VA, EDD and different departments to get the "verifications" to prove I really did not have any income, (on the buses and a bike) due to not having a car, to make a long story short they (G-R) denied my case on two occasions, (primarily due to time restraints and my inability to get all things documented as required)
While on my third attempt to complete all doc's as needed I was sitting with a "case-worker" and was told “I see you have all this completed, congratulation, how did you?” I simply said don't everyone? And she said “Oh!, heavens no! Most do not get pass the first attempt at getting all this work done!
And it was then and there that it hit me all the steps that they take you through are designed to make you fail! Thinking about it I knew that the SSN alone would tell them all they needed to know in reference to the question of income or “benefits” one revived or did not, (all the verification were a complete “smoke and mirror” campaign to cause others to fail. That day as I was leaving and on my way to the SSA (again) to show for the third time that I was not getting SSI (a time required document) ridding a bike just one week after my knee surgery it hit me how this “game” is set to cause us not to get the “support” we may need when needed and right then I started wondering just how deep the hole would go in reference to “government-support” When I arrived to the SSA and after an hour and half of waiting I was taken into a room and an “assistant” was printing my third statement of non-support by the SSA (needed for the G-R) my third one in as many months in that the form is only good for a thirty day period of time, and I ask then “what does the red letter and numbers on the back of the SS card mean?” And I do truly believe the response that was given when the assistant said “I do not know” I then asked if he would get another “assistant” to answer the question, (again to make a long story short) I was told by two others that they did not know, I got home on the phone to SSA and was told by an additional two people there that they did not know, finally I went back to the SSA office and informed them that the SSA toll-free number folks told me to return to the local office to get that answered and again two others there told me that they did not know. I said that I wanted to speak to the most senior person in that facility about it and finally some guy came and said it was simply a “control” number to “track” the cards that have been printed, (sounds good folks) yet I guarantee that it is far more than that and in fact I think that those numbers are the very numbers used to indicate the “printing-rights” to so many FRN's, (Federal Reserve Notes) in circulation, in fact I think that that is how they claim we all owe a “national-debt” value as the SSN card holder! It is my fear that this number is the very vehicle that the green numbers on the face of your, (our) money is issued and that in fact it is how you will see your portion of the federal debt. (www.nationaldebtclock.org) I fear brothers and sisters that this little red number on the back is the very vehicle in which they can say you owe the debt, yet there is good-news (I think) If in fact all money is printed by this number it stands to seen logical that “we” can “order” money just as they have in this number! Why not? It is our number right? So I wish to start a massive “attack” on FOI (freedom of information) I wish to band together with others in the pursuit to disseminate the truth and unlock the key to “our-money” or at least stop the insanity of this “run-away-train” they call “our-debt”
Thank-you for bearing through all of my minds words and time, looking for other “like-minded-minds” to eliminate the SSN beast. lawsrlies@hotmail
The first 3 numbers on your card are for the state you lived in when you applied for your card, not the state you were born in. I was born in Michigan but my card is from Colorado because that's where I lived when I got my card in 1966. My daughter was born in Colorado and son in Maine but both of their cards are from Maine because that's where we lived when I applied for theirs because we needed them for medical care and for tax returns.
Wow. Lots of tinfoil hats in this room. It's really amazing. I have to wonder how many Palin-'Merikins are posting here.
ok, so my mind is blown right now. My best friend told me to google the red numbers on the back bc her husband is paying some guy 120000 to pay his debt off for him. the man explained a pretty much what is on here. that the numbers indicate a personal account for each person and the gvnmt offered this guy a settlement to quit helping ppl do this. it sounds like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me but my interest is certainly peaked. Melanie, please explain exactly WHY (as you requested to be asked) there is no way this is possible.
correction - 12000 not 120000.
Tell your best friend to tell her husband that he is being HAD! COME ON! The government paying a tiny little 12 G to shut some guy up!? WOW!
What you are talking about is a Very Old Myth!!!! A
type of scam used since the 1700's.
When I started this - I never dreamed it would get THIS bloodly off-topic or out of control.
Next thing I know - aliens will be involved.
That letter at the end of the SSN is really strange.
I have been doing alot of research on this subject. And if you look at the back of your ssc and see the red numbers and then look at your birth crtificate there are no numbers the same. i have come across alot of different ideas and things that have happened in the past that really dont add up. So take a look at your birth crtificate and your ssc and see what you think. And do you have any ideas why your name on the ssc and on your birth certificate are all caps!!?? and what about the real name of the birth certificate "Certificate Of Birth" I am really in to this topic right now. Thanks let me know what you think
I don't think you can really track down someone by knowing just what state they were born in. If you already had their Social Security number, it seems like you would know where they were born, anyway. Also, I disagree with one of the previous commenters. You can't reliably tell anything about anyone's age from the two middle digits because it depends on when they (or their parents) applied for the number, not when they were born.
Just an interesting thought. My brother's and my ssn are litterally 2 digits apart on the LAST #. Ie 123-45-6787 & 123-45-6789. Catch is we're 2 years apart. I have never heard of anyone else have something like this happen. Any thoughts?
The red numbers on the back on the SSN is a CUSIP number. It's unsually a letter followed by eight numbers. Each U.S. citizen has a bond attached to ther SSN and Birth Certificate. The red numbers on the back of both of those instruments are the bond numbers (CUSIP numbers). CUSIP numbers are how the U.S. Treasury stores bonds. The U.S. makes mony off our your signature (sign and nature). If you have enough commercial knowlege you can liquidate the bond and decrease the U.S. public debt........
privateye - tdugan is correct I believe...
Scoob-you're absolutely correct as some of the other posts. But what I have learned in using this method successfully, is to keep it amongst those who have an open mind, which is very few; know your laws, and don't get too hasty. Besides, most people are extremely leary in believing that the government would actually have knowledge such as this, and not post it on CNN for the world to see, even though it's all written and spelled out in plain English.
The numbers on the back of the Social Security card, as well as your birth certificates and even marriage certificates, if used properly, can legally pay off debt, court matters, student loans, and more, if used correctly, and in proper order, with the correct forms.
The mystery of the SS# is irrelevant for the front of the card, it's the numbers on the back of the card that counts. But don't take our word for it, you have to read and literally study it for yourself, treat it like a six months course, literally. This isn't something that you're taught in school, you have to read and study it for yourself. Then keep it to yourself for a while, and when your friends and family asks, "how did you pay off that new 2010 Escalade, and that $40,000 student loan," you can share your newly found wisdom then.
By the way, Joe, you're on the right track, keep reading!
This spells it all out.
America. You all need to wake up! Do your homework. Those red numbers on the back of your SS card mean something. Look at your birth certificate. The place where your mother signs her name says informant. Hmm, I wonder why?
This is just nuts. I was just wanting to look-up a little info on my social security card. An informant is a person who provides privileged information about a person or organization to an agency. A mother provides information for the birth of her child, as a child is unable to do so for his/herself. Now maybe the Red number may mean something other than a "Sequential Control Number" I do not know, however use your BRAINS when typing the words on your keyboard. One person wrote on here, "the first 3 numbers on your card are for the state you lived in when you applied for your card" that almost takes on the same meaning of, "the first 3 numbers on your card are for the state the person (or their parents) applied for it in." See how that has a subtle difference. Which is correct? The 2nd statement, "the first 3 numbers on your card are for the state the person (or their parents) applied for it in." When you read whatever it is you are using as your reference, make sure you are reading what has been written, not what you think it says.
....IAM....
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Qualify - this has nada to do with the state you were born in.
It's about your *strawman* - the piece of paper *you* government generated...that has nothing to do with the real you - really - at all.
when your mother provides information at birth you are being signed over to the govenrment so that they can cash in on your trust account. You are absolutley correct with the definition of an informant. There's a bond# attached to your birth certificate and ssn#. Speaking from personal experience and not from what has been read
This was asked in the Questions - Does your SSN have a CUSIP #?
CUSIP numbers are for mutal funds and bonds and things of that nature. CUSIP are identification numbers assigned to all stocks and registered bonds. It stands for The Committee on Uniform Securities Identification Procedures (CUSIP) and these *people* oversee the entire CUSIP system.
It is used mainly in the USA and in Canada - Foreign Securities have a similar number called CINS number.
So - no, your SSN doesn't *really* have a CUSIP # although it would be *associated with one if you have bonds. :} Hope that answers your question and thanks for asking!
Also - this link might help.
Private eye, Melanie probably knew that because she works with Medicare, not Social Security. I worked for Medicare and I knew that, most people who bill medicare know about that. What I want to know is why they will never use a 9. I seen that they are going to redo Social Security numbers because they are not random enough, but it said they still won't use 9. I want to know why.
Regarding SS numbers with a letter on the end of them. I am looking at my Grandfather's original death certificate and his SS # has an A at the end of it. I was told it meant that they were an "alien", immigrant from another country, which he was.
Some interesting theories here, some straight out of a George Orwell novel..
It is interesting to note that the CUSIP number did not originate until the 60's. Therefore, any numbers of the type would not exist on cards prior to 1968. This comes straight from CUSIP archives (via another source):
"In July 1964, the New York Clearing House Association approached the ABA to develop a way to improve operating efficiencies across the industry by developing a standard method of identifying securities. The Committee on Uniform Security Identification Procedures (CUSIP) was created to work on this issue.
This resulted in the establishment of the CUSIP system and in 1968 the CUSIP Service Bureau was formed to administer the system. "
It is interesting to note though, that this year changes slightly from one "official source" to the next. One references 1962 as beginning and 1967 as the year it was implemented.
If this is a fact, however, then I fail to see how the red numbers could be a CUSIP number, though without proper access, it would be difficult to research this further.
@Starsky - It really is irrelevant that you were born two years apart where your ss# is involved. The reason the numbers are so close is that they were applied for at the same time, in the same place. If you go here: http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn .You can look up the first five digits and they will tell you what state the cards were applied for in and in what year.
Just to be VERY clear - I do Not nor ever Have worked with or for any Medicare...?
I do not even live where there Is a *medicare*.
I never Dreamed this hub would generate so many comments. lol
It was never my intention to turn this into some *consperacy theory* at all.
But...has been an interesting time reading all of this! :}
Here's something I've always thought weird. One of the 2 patricias was born in the USA and has a Social Security Number (it's me writing). My sister was born in the same state 2 years after me. We did not start work at the same time. Our SSNs are consecutive.
Does anyone know a website that will show me the various wordings on the REVERSE side of the Social Security Card? I think there are about 50 different forms for the back of the card. Why do they keep changing it?
i have two social security cards, one is my original and one i got about two years ago. the social security numbers are the same but the red numbers on the back are different. in my opinion that rules out any conspiracies about being related with accounts. unless i have two now =D
When anyone gets lost as to who is operating accounting to the rule of law in this country always refer to the Supreme law of the land which is treaty and the constitution (article 3,4,6). Why this is important? Because if someone has entered you into any contract without you knowing, according to Maritime Law and Admiralty which the US and many other countries are Bonded under, the contract is invalid. There must be a meeting of the minds. Also, to add a simple idea to what commerce actually is and not what is suggested by those who are not operating in commerce ie. (LLC,LLP,Court,Tribunal,ect) commerce is an exchange of equal value and of course look up "the 10 maximims of commerce". So is the Birth Cert. or SSN a contract? Do the SSN exist in commerce? It must be if thats what you are identified by right? ( a 2 dimensional object) for better understanding lookup Positive ID. in the law dictionary (try Blacks law). Further more does your identity ever expire? no. only products expire, but anyway think of it this way if the SS administration or any gov. or company of any sort assign you a number to interface with them however they make it difficult to obtain information about the number, that would deem them to be criminal. Why? Because one who willfully chooses to be nontransparent especially working in the capacity as a "public officer" or just a EIN who was access to your personal account numbers would absolutely be acting as pirate if they did not explain to you that they entered you into a society where you are bound by legislation(policy) not law and that they will not educate you on the subject all will put you at a disadvantage. On top of all that they negotiate your bond which does exist . When you pledged your allegiance to flag it was to the Republic not to the United States as defined by the corpus juris 1785 "United States is a corporation with RESPECTS TO A REPUBLIC". President, treasurer, secretary, secretary of treasurer, vice president, ect. are all corporate terms even the word term. Bank of America have a President, GMC motors of Detroit have a president. Republics dont have Presidents. Republics are for the people and govern by the people. This quasi styled United States that derived out of the Republic "for which it stands" has been operating with a self bonded system and restricted in commerce because they are in default meaning in operating under monetized debt. Meaning they are not in commerce because they are renting debt notes from a foreign company who has hi jacked the entire US. The Federal Reserve is not Federal and nor is Treasury nor the IRS. For clarity always refer to the origin go back to the civil war and remember what the war was about. Apply it to now. This is why the GOP had to return. Because if no one is bonded in Treaty nor the Constitution and it is required by state law that all companies in the several states be bonded, then that means you could be financially injured or physically with no recourse. When you operate threw terms and coerce customers into giving up ssn and many other important info without providing your EIN or someway to pull your bond incase of injury then there was no exchange. Infact getting paid in worthless securities is not exchange either. Fiat is what so called "money is referred to". Look it up on the FR (federal reserve) website. Fiat means in latin "let it be done". There is no word in English on any FR note that says the word "money". So do people who are beyond educated in English refer to it as such? See and it goes on and on. However the point is it starts with simple truth, when one begins to harmonize and be in Friendship and Peace with all there is on all levels no matter what system as long as its entune to the laws of nature and jurisprudence than it will always prevail. Transparency is key. just spearing thoughts in short .. i enjoyed everyones input..
Tdugan's info came directly from social security's website. Not sure why you regard his/her post as false. Here's the evidence Tdugan probably should have provided:
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_i
These numbers are used to classify entitlement beneficiaries, not just for medicare, but for the whole span of different entitlements, to which most everyone will deal with at some point in their life.
'A' is the most common letter; it stands for wage earner. Depending on which benefits you apply for and when, you get different letters attached, for instance, if you become a widow, if you're old or young, married or divorced, disabled, etc...
Its always important to back up claims with proof, facts and evidence. Hope this helps:)
Your information is not completely acurate.
My SSN begins 414 but I was born in KY not TN.
This is a very interesting thread. I came on to find the meaning of the infamous red number on the back of the SS card. My main inquiry is this... does the red number correlate to the card-holder (as in the actual person the card has been issued to)? In other words, can a person be tracked-down by a retailer, law enforcement agency, or even (what seems an obvious to be an obvious "yes", the government? I've personally had four legal last names: maiden, 1st married, legal change to an incarcerated fiance' (long story), and as of last week, 2nd marriage (not the convict, BTW). I haven't kept all of my cards. Now I wish I had. Before reading this thread, I (not regrettably) destroyed a card I had replaced after misplacing, then found again. I compared the two cards (both issued to me with my ex-fiance's last name being my own at that time), and the cards were identical with the exception of the red numbers on the back, and also the numbers in parentheses after the "form code" on the bottom left of the back of the card. This leads me to believe that maybe the red number is in fact some identification of the time/place/SS employee/type of card (i.e. original or duplicate)... any and all or maybe some other information about the issuance of the particular card. Whew! That's a mouthful. So, I'm pretty sure the "bond account number theory" can simply be disproved by the fact that the numbers do not remain consistent if more than one card is created. I'm quite sure "the man" wouldn't make new accounts for everyone, let alone quirky citizens, such as myself, that change their name a lot, or for some reason need new a new card(s) created. Lots of food for thought... fun to compare and contrast theories and ideas, but my question remains unanswered after all of this. Is the red number, no matter what it's purpose, assigned specifically to one person and is tat person traceable via that number of numbers????
Hey Confused In KY, I've lived in California 28 of my 30 years, but I noticed that the list in this thread linking the first three SS numbers to state-of-birth showed Kentucky as only having eight numbers assigned to it, and check out N and S Dakota. Now look at Cali... maybe the list above is outdated, and as population has grown, the numbers have shifted? Just an idea.
If tdugan is correct, then the state is very confused, because it would lable me a father, but I'm in fact a female, and a mother! *BLADOW!!" Such a shame... seems like a waste of a very cool, however inaccurate, chart. Bummer.
(Excuse blowing up the thread) I meant to say "NOW regrettably", about tearing up the card, in my first comment. Peace.
i have been issued a ssn card as a foreign student.
i have a number followed by 8 digits. what does that mean?
I live in PA and my SSN starts with 204.
Also, I am retired and on Social Security. I received a Medicare card where my SSN is shown followed by an "A"
The number is called "Claim Number": 204-XX-XXXX-A.
Maybe this clears up the issue.
Yes but was the *A* always there??
I'm late but wanted 2 comment my cousin and I (she's 9 years older) has the exact same number's in our ssn just in different sequence. Our mother's have different last names. How ironic is that??
If theres any truth to this ridiculous article, can the author kindly post images of this SSN with the extra digit/number? Imageshack is free, no excuses. UNLESS its an article that's made up while on PCP or shrooms.
Tekken - my article is not ridiculous. ;/ Simply because *you* feel it is certainly shows what IS.
A photo can *NOT* be posted for 2 main reasons:
#1 - it is against the Law!
#2 - it is against hubpages policy
So no, that is not an excuse and I take slight offense to your insinuation that I wrote it on drugs.
Like it or not - it's true. What *YOU* think is of No consequence to the relevance of the article.
BTW - Why no link to you either?? Feel the need to hide behind the anonimity of the Internet?
What does each codes behind the U.S. permanent residence Id card stands for?
OK. two things. First, as to letters appended to SS cards, I am not delusional, intoxicated, or anything else that would render my senses, recollections, or statements unreliable... And I can tell you that I have actually held such a card in my hands. There is no question that the card had a nine digit number, followed by one space and then an "A". All I know about the individual to whom the card was assigned is that he was either a permanent resident alien (with a "green card") or a naturalized citizen - He was definitely not a native-born U.S. citizen. Also, he was definitely receiving benefits from the Government at that time. What the actual significance of the "A" was, I just don't know - It could identify a permanent resident alien, or perhaps an otherwise lawfully alien not entitled to employment here (in which case it would make sense that the letter appeared only on the card he would have to show a potential employer, but nowhere else in the "system"), or it could indeed represent some sort of benefits claim number, or it could signify something else entirely. But cards with letters DO exist, beyond any question.
As for the red numbers on the back of SS cards, I do believe that they are, in fact, sequential control numbers, designed to prevent and/or detect alteration of a card. For one thing, if the numbers represented some sort of account number, putting them there in the clear would be very risky - Eventually a rogue and/or former government employee, or a clever hacker, or a sharp identity thief would figure it out and compromise the system. Since only a few key people would ever need to know the numbers, it would be relatively easy, and much safer, to encode them somehow.
Of course, if I am correct - if the little red numbers on the back f your card are actually a control number enabling the SSN to determine whether the card has been altered - then each number on an issued card must be unique that card... which means it would could be employed as an alternate identifier, usable by any agency that wanted to maintain a file on you that couldn't be accessed by filing an FOIA request under your name/SSN. If you submitted a request without having figured out the importance of the red numbers (i.e, without including them in your request), the agency could simply say it had no such file. Sort of like the reporter researching "Area 51" in Nevada who was told that the Pentagon would provide him with all available information on his subject, just as soon as he submitted a FOIA request identifying the facility he was researching by its official government name. Of course, when he asked for the "official government name", he was informed that it was classified information that would never be disclosed.
It would be interesting to see the result of FOIA requests submitted to various Federal agencies identifying the subject ONLY by the little red numbers on the back of an SS card...
Everyone keeps saying that SSN 800+ are invalid... I just immigrated and applied for my first SSN and received a number starting with 881. I'm finding this very annoying because banks and credit cards keep telling me it is invalid according to their computers.
I have a ssn with an s for the last digit?
I just ran across your article. I work for a cemetery and we see these all the time. The best I can figure out was that men had ssn but women didn't. If a married woman went to work, she was given the same number as her husband but an A was added on. Don't know if this is accurate but just in my experience of working with records this is a pattern I found.
Hi everyone. I think i have a good question. What happens with Native American SS and do their cards have red numbers too?
I happen to be a military case... I have answers to it all. I don't exist anywhere in the system. My mother born in Virginia but has a non VA bearing digit sequence. My military and existence is void. My son has the number I was issued as I was turned into my own mini corporation to bring in the money and then direct it overseas to make the euro stronger, one world currency,... And the buck, is now a shit ticket, single ply... And forces the sheep into the being completlely and utterly controlled as is spoken in this one book, it was the last chapter in a self fulfilling phrophesy... Hint hint. Sound the trumpets...!!!
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I have an important issue; I got my first social security card at the age of 20 and I was in Elizabeth NJ, I went out of the country for a post with the US Embassy. I came back 8 years later and requested a new ssc because I have lost mine, and SS office told me could not find my records.I had my last name as single. I need to pursue this because there is a lot of money and point I need to recuperate. Because now they tell me I don't have enough points to retire at 66.
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MrMarmalade 4 years ago
In Australia we do not have a SSN
Federal Government is endeavouring to bring them into force, meeting a lot of opposition.
Thank you